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Kjrsos Magazine ~ Volume 17

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Vol 17 Kjrsos Magazine

Introducing Kjrsos Magazine, Volume 17:

The Kjrsos Experience ~

Letting the horse’s body be the measure.


What if the answer to every argument about training has been standing in front of us all along — on four legs?

This issue keeps returning to one place: the horse’s body. Not the sport, not the method, not the tradition.
What it is built from, what it is asked to carry, and what it can hand to a rider who learns to listen.

Inside this volume, you will learn:

  • The Door That Doesn’t Ask:
    There is a way into a horse that does not wait for her yes. It has been measured in laboratories and described from the ground, and almost never spoken about from the saddle. A copper mare once showed what it means to have your no taken away — and her answer was not the one anyone would expect. Being able to open that door is one question. Whether it is ours to open is another.
  • One Standard of Training:
    Every argument about training method ends the same way — unresolved. Which system, which school, which discipline. This piece says the arguments never end because every side is measuring against the wrong thing. There is one standard, and a three-month-old foal playing in a field already knows what it is.
  • What Never Happens to a Foal in the Wild:
    A foal in the wild moves for miles from his very first day. A foal in a stall is still being built — out of what he is not doing. By the time anyone puts a hand on him, part of the answer has already been decided. Not by cruelty. By something far more ordinary.
  • The Decisions They Make:
    A pony finding the wall for a rider who cannot see it. A mare moving herself, unasked, so a boy in a wheelchair can reach her. We say horses take care of us. Then a roan palomino named Bandit spent an entire lesson showing why that is not the whole story — and what every rider has been riding on without ever being told the terms.
  • Five Questions — A Teacher’s Exercise:
    One small change to a famous experiment in child development revealed that the children had known the answer all along. What if the question you are asking is the thing hiding what your student knows? An exercise with no answer in it, and no way to get it wrong. .

Volume 17 is an invitation to stop measuring the horse against our disciplines and start measuring our work against the horse — what his body needs, what it is built from, and what it already knows. These are the questions that get left behind, and the ones we need to sit with if we hope to work honestly, in the horse’s best interest.

If you are ready to let the horse be the measure of everything you do together, this issue will show you where to begin. Subscribe today to start your own journey of discovery.


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No Beginner Riders Can Get on My Horse

It has long been acknowledged that if I have an advanced horse and I want to keep all the subtilties that we have together, the fastest way to loose if permenanlty is to let someone else ride him.  Only if the rider has your skill set should you even consider letting someone else ride.

This is old maxim that was common knowledge for centuries.

Too many of us quickly learned the reality of that maxim the first time we choose to ignore it, thinking what can it hurt, or more likely thinking how much can I help another rider if they only could get the opportunity to feel what it feels like on a horse so superbly trained, so sensitive to the aids, and so incredibly balanced.  While it may not happen in a single ride, there is almost perhaps there is a hundred percent chance that what you had with your horse will be diminished. And you will never get it back again.  It's gone.

We can and will discuss why and how this happens, but the point I would like to make today is, since this is true then this directs our attention to the fact that if it can be destroyed forever, how does this fit in with the concept that we can plan on doing anything but what is right for the horse from the very first step.  We can heal.. to some extent, I have seen miraculous changes in horses.  And no horse's body is born perfect, he needs careful cultivation to enable his body to find full potential with a rider on his back.   But there are some things that just can never be undone.  Which is why we place such a heavy responsibility on the rider to be as perfect as they can be from the very beginning.  

This is the price as instructors that we pay.  That our school masters will be diminished by the very purpose that we use them for.  We can't train back what is lost.  We can try to fix, what gets undone, but it is never the same.  There is a fineness that is lost, connections that no longer can be found, and the concept of progress beyond this level of riding can be forever halted.  The horse now living in what he has now.  It is hard knowing this is going to happen, but we know as instructors that we have no choice.  As careful as we can be, as many preparations that we take, no matter how carefully we teach, the reality is that what will be undone in all likelihood will not be found again.   It is a heavy price.

The more advanced our horses, the more we want to share, so that others can experience what we are experiencing, knowing that it is only through the horse that riders can learn.

A good school master is invaluable.  An advanced school master priceless.

 

Letting Go of You

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Letting Go of You

 

Before You Can Feel the Horse

Creating the Link · Step One

There is a step almost no one names — and until you take it, the moment you are longing for, when the horse's body becomes your own, can never come. It sounds like nothing. That is exactly why it is missed.

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Surprise -- The Brachiocephalicus -- A Foreleg Muscle

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The Surprise of the Brachiocephalicus of the Horse

 

Swinging the Foreleg Forward

You have looked at this muscle a thousand times — it runs right down the front of the neck, and you may even know its name. And still you have never quite seen what it is really for.

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A Teacher's Exercise ~ Five Questions

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Learning To Ask Questions

 

A Teacher's Exercise ~ Five Questions

There is an experiment in child development that I keep coming back to.

Piaget would set out two equal rows and ask the children if they were the same, then spread one row out and ask again. The young ones said the longer row had more. For decades that was read as a fact about children.

Then someone changed one thing. A naughty teddy jumped out of his box and messed up the row by accident, instead of the experimenter deliberately rearranging it. Same children, same age. Correct answers went from 41% to 68%.

The children had known all along.

The question was hiding what they knew.

I want to stay on that, because it goes somewhere. If the answer changes depending on how you asked, the variance was never in them. It was in you. And the only way to ever find that out is to ask more than once, differently — because a single asking gives you a result with nothing to compare it against, and you will read that result as a fact about the student.

There is something else in there too. When the same question is asked twice in the same words, the second asking is itself a message. You are being asked again, so something must have been wrong the first time. 

Asking the same way twice applies pressure.

But that doesn't mean that there may be something in asking a question more than once.

The answer: ask important questions several ways and see what comes back. You will be surprised by what can be learned by this exercise.

But if an answer is given between the versions, everything collapses. The second question gets built out of the each answer instead of out of the original question. And the moment answers are involved, it has become a test again — and each new answer takes the chance of going off into a different direction.

So for this to work, we have to encourage that there are no answers in between.

Ask the student to give you the same question in three different forms, or five, and give them nothing between. What comes back isn't three attempts at something. It is one map, made all at once, from the same place.

Here is why it works.

You cannot rephrase what you do not have. To say a thing another way you have to know what the question is about rather than what it says — you have to go underneath the sentence and come back up somewhere else. Someone holding only the sentence will swap words and produce four sentences that are the same sentence wearing different clothes. Someone who has been underneath produces versions that come from different directions.

So the teacher is not reading whether the versions are good. They are reading the connections, what the student understands, and the spread.

If the questions circle only one small point it means the concept is sitting in there as one undifferentiated lump. That is information, not failure, and I want to say that plainly because it would be easy to read it as a student falling short. It isn't. It tells you where to go next, which is more than any answer would have told you.

Three to five questions that reach in different directions means the student has hold of something they can turn over in their hands.

And then there is the thing it is easy to miss.

A student can carry a wrong meaning for a word for years and nothing will expose it. They hear forward and understand fast. They hear soft and understand loose. They hear volume and understand loud, or big, or nothing at all. As long as they only ever receive the word, the substitution stays invisible — they nod, they answer, and sometimes the answer even comes out right, because a wrong definition can produce a correct answer by accident often enough to stay hidden for years.

But ask them to say the question in their own words, three different ways, and they have to put your word down and reach for theirs.

The substitute comes out. Every version they give about forward comes out about speed, and there it is, on the page, where both of you can read it.

Something that neither of you could never have found out from a single answer.

And we have to realize that an answer can be right for the wrong reason. And a wrong answer tells you something is off, but never which thing.

There is one more thing this does, and it may be the best of it.

A question asked several ways often answers itself.

Not because anyone answered it. Because in the asking for 5 questions on the same thing makes the student look from new directions. And if we are lucky the student sees the answer through the exercise, and the teacher never had to say anything.  That by asking for five questions we gave direction that will end up coming from themselves.

Nobody had to be told anything. The answer wasn't withheld and then released — it was never handed over at all. It was already inside the question, and the student only had to look at it from enough sides for it to become visible. Which means what they walk away with is not an answer they were given. It is an answer they found.

Those do not sit the same way in a person.


Some notes in the using of it.

It does not have to be five. Sometimes three is enough, as long as every one of them is a true question. Students will learn to perform variety if this becomes routine — producing the required number as a trick, with the underneath skipped. Watch for that, and correct it quietly, without turning it into a moment. And use this sparingly. It stops working when it becomes the thing you always do.

Space them, too. Three versions in three minutes is an interrogation, and by the third the student is answering to make it end. It is a different animal over a longer stretch.

And be careful of the version of this that goes wrong: asking until one of the versions produces the answer you were hoping for. That is not finding out what they know. That is leading. The honest form of this has to allow all three to come back through them and that is when it means something. 

The hardest part is what the teacher does with the map once they have it.

Possibly nothing. Because the moment you point at version three and say there — that is where you have forward wrong, it has turned back into a test, and the next set will be written for you instead of for themselves.


From the very beginning of Kjrsos we addressed how questions have power, in the book So That We Can See.

"It is time to discover how questions live within answers waiting to be found, and not the other way around."

What I did not see until now is that this exercise is the same thing approached from the other end. The book says the questions are inside the answers. A question asked three ways says the answer was inside the question.

Same relationship, walked backwards. Which is what you would expect, if the thing is actually true.

And it gives something back that was taken from most of us early. Our schools stuff the final answers in as fast as they can and punish the incorrect one, and there is no surer way to kill the joy of learning, the joy of questions. This exercise has no answer in it and no wrong version. There is nothing here to get incorrect. For a student who learned at six that a question is a thing you get graded on, this may be the first one they have been handed since with no trap in it.

Watch, too, what it does to the one teaching.

You are not answering. You are watching. You do not have to announce that you are not the authority in the room — which never really works anyway, and mostly makes people uncomfortable. For the length of this, you simply are not operating as one, and the student feels the difference without ever being told.

Kjrsos Is... Finding the answer that was inside the question all along.

One Standard

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One Standard of Training

 

One Standard of Training

Every argument about how to train a horse has one thing in common. Not one of them can be settled. And the reason has nothing to do with the methods.

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Healing and Building Horses Through Riding

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Healing Horses Through Riding

Healing Horses Through Riding

We know riding heals people. We have watched it straighten spines and teach children to walk. So why do we only ever ask what the horse gives us — and never what might be given back to him?

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What Never Happens to a Foal in the Wild

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What Never Happens to a Foal in the Wild

What Never Happens to a Foal in the Wild

We look at a horse and we look for what his rider did to him. What his last trainer did to him. Where the tension came from. But something had already been decided before anyone put a hand on him — and no one was there to watch it happen.

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Training Only Strengthens Whatever is Being Used

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Training Only Strengthens Whatever is Being Used

Training Only Strengthens Whatever is Being Used

You have given your horse years of patient, careful work, and he is stronger for it. That much is not in question. What is in question is what got stronger — and there is a reason almost nobody thinks to ask.

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Volume ~ A Measure of When The Student is Ready

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When The Student is Ready to Proceed

When The Student is Ready to Proceed

The child rides beautifully. Even though nobody really taught her anything. Then you ask for the next thing, a more advanced movement, and it is as though she cannot hear you. You might assume she isn't trying hard enough. There is another explanation, and it has nothing to do with effort.

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There Must Be Places

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There Must Be Places

There Must Be Places

Somewhere there is a horse who has never carried anyone. There is something available in him that is not available in any horse you have ever put your hands on. And there is almost nowhere left on earth that you can go to find out what it is.

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Research Subjects

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An Open List of Research Project Ideas

The Questions Nobody Thought to Ask

You go looking for the research and it isn't there. Or it is there — and something in it is wrong, and it takes a long while to work out what.

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The Decisions They Make

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What the Horses Contribute to the Riding Experience

 

The Decisions They Make

A mare in my arena declines an aid that every horse on earth is taught to obey. She is not being disobedient, and nobody taught her to do it. Once you see what she is actually doing, you will not be able to unsee it in your own horse.

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The Door That Doesn't Ask

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The Door That Doesn't Ask

 

The Door That Doesn't Ask

Four seconds. Four touches, too light to move a sheet of paper — and the horse they could not get to trot was collected before my seat met the saddle. There is a door into a horse that does not ask permission. Finding it was the part that frightened me.

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Real School Horses ~ A Horse That Isn't Affordable

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Real School Horses ~ A Horse That Isn't Affordable

 

Real School Horses ~ A Horse That Isn't Affordable

There is a horse who cannot pay for himself. Not because he is unsound, or difficult, or slow — but because of what he carries, and what it costs to keep it in him. Almost nobody keeps one any more. And what he carries cannot be learned any other way.

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